Is It Acceptable to Remove a Family From A Flight for Toddler’s Tantrum?

Airline Attendants and the TSA are losing their ability to relate to people and might be letting their powers go to the extreme. Obviously the TSA has had its own set of problems and faced reasonable scrutiny on various issues. Recently, Mommy Points elaborated on the unruly agents from TSA making a nursing mom use her breast pump to ensure it was “safe” and was used for its intended purpose. The whole experience makes me cringe and wonder where were the supervisors that allowed these agents to treat other people with disrespect. Real safety and concerns on an airplane are a reality in today’s world. However, we need to use some common sense when it comes to adhering to the rules.

This week, via the Today Show, I heard the story of the family on board a JetBlue flight last month that was kicked off due to a toddler’s tantrum. The family was on their return flight from the Turks and Caicos to Boston. According to the parents report, for approximately five minutes the family attempted to try and calm down their toddler and get her strapped into the seat so the flight could take off. After getting her securely fastened, the flight attendants came over and said they were being removed from the plane for violating Federal Aviation Rules.

Exactly what rule did the family break? I highly doubt they were refusing to properly fasten their daughter into the seat. According to a statement from JetBlue, “The captain elected to remove the customers involved for the safety of all customers and crew members on board.” Really? What threat does a screaming two year old have on the safety of everyone on board the flight? The allegations are simply ludicrous and an overstepping of the powers instilled on the airlines.

Both my wife and my initial opinions was outrage that a family could be treated in such a manner in a moment of already heightened awareness and stress for a parent. Then we quickly realized both parents were pediatricians, and that if anyone should know the proper way to harness the situation, it was these parents. I have no doubt in my mind this family reacted the correct way to calm their daughter and get her into the seat.

The reality is that a family would be exhausted by the end of their trip and just want to get home. Depending on the arrangement of the flights, the toddlers sleep pattern was disrupted (i.e. she did not get her normal nap). In addition, the toddler was used to sitting in the parents lap, and was not accustomed to sitting in her own seat. We absolutely understand this toddlers reaction, and can relate to the parents attempts to correct the situation. While we have not been put into this same situation yet, we can absolutely see it happening. It is the human factor and how we can relate to other parents. This story has nothing to do with poor parenting, and more about an airlines attempts to overstep their powers. Do other people forget what it is like to raise a 2-year old? They get a mind of their own, yet still do not grasp the full concept of right and wrong.

I consider myself one of the most aware people when it comes to how my family and our actions can influence other people. I get embarrassed when my son gets upset out in public, and work to correct the situation, including removing myself and him from the area is feasible. However, inside an airplane during takeoff there are few solutions. After the plane becomes airborne, there are plenty of more options that become available to calm down the child.

I also can understand the pilot was waiting for the all clear to have the flight take off. I am making some assumptions on how the scenario played out. The child was probably strapped into her seat, yet upset at the situation. As the plane taxied out to the runway, the parents unbuckled the child and held her to try and get her to calm down. Near takeoff, the flight attendants radioed to the pilot that there was an unsecured passenger. The pilots had to radio to the tower that they could not yet move the airplane because a passenger was not yet securely seated. Meanwhile the parents worked to secure the child, while she continued to throw a tantrum. I understand all that. Yet somehow the whole situation escalated to an unreasonable stance to remove them from the plane. The frustrating thing for me is that inevitably that unboarding process took more time to delay the flight and embarrasses the family along the way. However, I think there is still something more about this story that has not come out, and that there was more than 5 minutes between the entire ordeal. Something else went wrong that is not being heard.

What even baffles me more is that 70% of people polled (according to the Today Show readers) agree that the family should have been removed from the plane. Really? I can understand not having your children disrupt the other passengers and how the plane could not take off. Other people onboard the plane were entitled to an uninterrupted flight too. However, where is the human factor and the compassion for other people? Where is the understanding from anyone that has raised young children to realize that when a child gets tired and placed into an unfamiliar situation, they may throw a fit. They are raising a two-year old, and we all know what that may mean. When the child is acting unruly, it does not mean the parents are not working to correct the situation. Their reaction does not mean they are poor parents. It means everyone needs to step back and relax a moment and relate to other people. The same people that agreed this family should have been removed from the plane are the same masses that think parents should not travel with their children. I wholeheartedly disagree!

In reality, the issue has nothing to do with the flight’s “safety and security.” Yes the child needed to be properly secured for takeoff. Understandable. However, if the situation was corrected, there is no need to kick the family off of the plane. I believe this family was doing what was in their power to calm their daughter, and only when the plane was ready for takeoff, and departure was threatened, did they have to make a business decision on whether to remove the family or not so as not to impede on the rest of the airlines schedule. I see and understand both sides of the story, and that is what scares me about our upcoming flights when traveling with two toddlers.

“In a cents,” this story makes us have trepidation for our long flights to Hawaii this summer with our two boys. The first thing my wife and I said to each other is we are doomed. If this family got kicked off a plane after only five minutes of a tantrum, what do we need to do to control a situation should it occur? I do not think resorting to Benadryl is the best solution. However, maybe alcohol is the best response. Somehow I do not think purchasing everyone on the plane a Bloody Mary (see the episode of Up All Night) will get the job done, but who is thirsty? The first round is on us.

How Do I Save Money on County Property Taxes?

Within the last year we finally got around to doing something that was on our checklist, moving out of our starter home and into our dream home. I never realized just how happier we could be with more room to grow. I used to cringe at the idea of having people over when space was limited. Now, I can invite friends and family over and hide in many corners of the house without ever seeing them. I am kidding mom!

Tax Cut

We happen to be very fortunate with the purchase of our house, as we scored a major deal for the area, and even found out about a few skeletons in the closet. I remember when we were in the process of purchasing the home, and the appraisal came back when we were on vacation, and I was extremely bothered by how low the number came in. Meaning the homes in the area continue to maintain a pretty reasonable value despite the housing hardships. However, appraisers have to use pretty reasonable numbers in today’s market to make banks feel comfortable to underwrite them into loans. We were still purchasing the home for a considerable amount below the appraisal, and certainly lower than other homes in the neighborhood. I just expected the appraisal to come in at millions of dollars, I mean closer to at least what the previous owner paid, considering all the improvements. In my experience, taxable values on property are lower than their actual market value, so the appraisal should have come back more than what the County was taxing the property.

Let me use some generic numbers to try and explain.

Previous Sale- $267,000
Taxable Value- $247,000
Appraisal- $220,000
Purchase- $200,000

So looking at the first two numbers, it made sense to me that the taxable value was under what the house had previously been sold for, as has been my experience with our starter (now rental) home. So I whole-heartedly expected the appraisal to come in around $250,000+, to help really justify to myself that we were getting a great value.

However, after I let my emotions get the best of me, I started to realize maybe our “low” appraisal was a blessing. Since both our purchase price and appraisal were considerably lower than the current taxable value, I knew we could try and have our taxes adjusted to a lower value. I am going to try and talk in generalities, but please keep in mind each particular municipality will have their own rules that may vary to lower your taxes.

1) Research with your County office how they assess property taxes, and what you may do to appeal value. In our County, appeals to tax assessments can be submitted from January to March of each year. The owner is responsible for demonstrating why an assessment should be adjusted.

2) Read through and familiarize yourself with the appeal process, and exactly what needs to be submitted, and when. Counties are being inundated with more and more applications each year due to declining property values. Our County considers recent sales of a property proof of value, but there are other methods your County may consider for re-assessing your taxes. Be warned though that it often is not a good enough excuse to say my neighbors are only paying ____ in taxes and I want mine lowered. You typically will need to show up with an appraisal or some other document to prove value.

There are two important numbers in my example above.

Taxable Value- $247,000
Purchase- $200,000

Note, the almost $50,000 difference in taxable value. This is where I knew we could score our family some considerable savings in property taxes. After thoroughly reviewing the appeal process of our County, I submitted an application, as well as a copy of our purchase agreement. Therefore, I should be able to simply drop the assessment value on our house and save considerable money.

3) Be prepared to attend a hearing with the County tax board. Typically, the County will then contact you with your scheduled hearing date. One will need to present their proof of value to the board, at which time they will review the evidence and determine whether a tax adjustment is necessary.

This is where we got extremely lucky for several reasons. First, the County allowed our purchase price to determine value, which means my job was pretty much complete. As a back-up, I had my appraisal report, but regardless, we were getting our taxable value lowered. Second, if one is proposing to lower their taxes by $50,000 or more, the School Board needs to be invited to weigh in on the assessment. It is another hurdle one does not want to have to necessarily deal with as it complicates the approval process. We just got in under the $50,000 cut-off, and avoided School Board involvement.

So what happened?

We received a letter in the mail with a determination of value, stating they reviewed the documentation, and will lower our taxable value from $247,000 to $208,000. It is now up to us whether we want to attend a hearing to contest their value yet again, or sign-off and agree with the assessment.

At first I questioned to myself why they chose $208,000 versus the $200,000 we purchase the home for several months earlier. However, in the end, we signed the assessment and sent it back in to lower our property taxes. Overall, it was a simple process, and we avoided having to take time off of work and attend a hearing.

What does it mean, and why did we accept a value higher than our purchase price?

Should we have kept pushing to lower the value on our tax records closer to our purchase price? Well not really.

I do not know exactly how the County assesses market value, or why they gave us an $8,000 tax market value higher than our purchase price. I think being within $8,000 is pretty fair, and here is why. In our County, assessed value for taxes is 35% of the County market value, then taxes are calculated off of that value. Therefore, here are the numbers for comparison.

Current
Value $247,000
Assessment (35%) $86,500
Taxes $4,800

Re-Assessed
Value $208,000
Assessment (35%) $72,800
Taxes $4,100

Based on Purchase Price
Value $200,000
Assessment (35%) $86,500
Taxes $3,900

The bottom line is when you factor in all the numbers, if we were to try and argue to get the tax market value down to our $200,000 purchase price versus the $208,000 they want to give us, we would only be saving less than $175 per year in taxes. It simply is not worth it to go and argue the case for $175.

So despite some disappointment initially from a low appraisal, I saw the good in the bad as it helped lower our taxes; well kind of considering I never had to pull out the appraisal to the tax board. Our family saved about $700 annually on our property taxes by simply filing some paperwork with the County.

Have you had success getting your taxes lowered? If not, maybe you should consider the current value of your property and consider having your jurisdiction reevaluate your taxes. It could save a family some considerable money.

1982 EPCOT Center Monorail Preview Tickets

Some of the items in my grandparents travel stockpile really amaze me, and I am even more astonished when I can find very little information on them. When I think Disney, I think every aspect of the company has been thoroughly researched and documented. So gathering facts on the items history has been limited, and I look forward to readers chiming in on various aspects of the pieces.

Today I have a scan of the EPCOT Center (now simply Epcot) Monorail preview tickets for Florida Residents.

1982 EPCOT Monorail Preview Ticket WM

1982 EPCOT Monorail Preview Ticket

My grandparents were certainly not Florida residents, so the fact that they even possessed these tickets was surprising. However, it became apparent that the preview was actually open to everyone. After guests received their tickets in a special EPCOT preview area inside the Magic Kingdom, they were allowed to board the monorail and depart at EPCOT Center. Here guests were treated with a view of Future World, just weeks before its opening.

I can only imagine how cool it would have all looked, and hope to experience the same glimpses into Cars World at California Adventure later this summer. Unfortunately, I recently learned it looks like we will miss the grand reveal by days. Bummer.

Maybe if I am lucky, I can gain access into some photos my family may have taken during Epcot’s construction. Save Money, Travel More!

Sources:
http://www.jefflangedvd.com/news/archives/2007/08/entry_96.html
http://jefflangedvd.com/2007/08/photo-memories-epcot-center-pre-opening-monorail-preview-jefflangedvd-travel-and-production-updates/
http://www.2719hyperion.com/2006/10/epcot-center-monorail-preview.html